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French_Fabrice		#1 Posted : 29 January 2012 21:06:29(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi Märklin fans, After spending one year of testing, trying various ideas and making a lot of mistakes, I've decided to start a new project. As I'm constrained by the available space, the layout will be small : 2.84m * 1.48m. It's a variant of a three-level layout described in Marklin Magazin 2010/04. Here are the plans: Level 1 - hidden station Level 2 - hidden ramps Level 3 - visible and finally, it should look like this (not all the buildings are visible - missing 3D forms) Well, quite some work to do... Here are a few shots of the foundations: Hmm...my cat is very interested Is it rock solid ? Some view from the underneath command center (S88 feedback) Today's work: preparing for getting S88 wires Command center, from the top; Wifi transmitter to the computer network; programming track; Well, it's ready for level 1 Deadline is end of year 2012. I'll post from time to time, when progress is significant; Cheers Fabrice Edited by user 22 April 2012 20:17:06(UTC)  | Reason: subject changed
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petestra		#2 Posted : 29 January 2012 22:47:37(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice. Very nice track plan. There is a-lot of operation possible in a small area. Have fun building and keep us posted thru its progress. Kitty will enjoy it too as my two do! Peter
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Piggy		#3 Posted : 29 January 2012 23:04:19(UTC)
Joined: 08/05/2009(UTC) Posts: 586 Location: Sydney		Hi Fabrice. Look like you put a lot planning to the track plan. Great thinking planning the brake section at this early stage. I'm convinced you layout have great playability, I'm sure it going to turn very nice indeed. My only question is regarding access to the hidden areas, isn't it going to difficult if you build from 0mm elevation and upwards?
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MikeK		#4 Posted : 29 January 2012 23:08:59(UTC)
Joined: 14/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 131		Hi Fabrice, That looks like some very nice bench work, and your wirering is admirable, looks like you really planed this through, can't wait to see how the layout progresses, keep us posted :) ^__^ MikeK
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kimballthurlow		#5 Posted : 30 January 2012 05:00:54(UTC)
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 3,343 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Fabrice, Congratulations on a very comprehensive approach to the layout building. I particularly like your wiring planning, mine is embarrassingly untidy, and difficult to trace faults or plan extension. regards Kimball
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Ian555		#6 Posted : 30 January 2012 05:52:11(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great start to your layout. Ian.
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TrainIride		#7 Posted : 30 January 2012 09:23:47(UTC)
Joined: 22/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 658 Location: FRANCE		Hi Fabrice, A nice track plan, A sufficient place, A neat wiring, A cat. You have gathered all the components to build a great layout. Congratulations ! Regards Joël
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French_Fabrice		#8 Posted : 30 January 2012 18:33:36(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi, Thanks to all for such a warm feedback ! Cheers Fabrice
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Marklin in Oz		#9 Posted : 30 January 2012 20:29:19(UTC)
Joined: 24/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 81 Location: Lawrence Kansas		Looks like a fantastic start! Mine's up and running at this point and I WISH I would have put up backdrops first as you have. -Fred
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Johnvr		#10 Posted : 02 February 2012 20:16:49(UTC)
Joined: 03/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 389 Location: Cape Town, South Africa		Good to lay a solid foundation like yours ! Those s88 boxes : how many control tracks do you plan to have on the layout ?? Regards, John
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French_Fabrice		#11 Posted : 03 February 2012 22:56:41(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi John, At the present time, 45 inputs over 48 are planed to be used, so 3 are remaining free. It's not a lot if I decide to use for instance some blocks with more than 2 sensors...maybe I should add right now one more S88 unit to be more comfortable... You can try to count the contact tracks on the plan. These are the "grayed" tracks (mostly 2295 units and a few "hand made" contact tracks, i.e. 15° curves like 2223, 2233 and 2 momentary contact tracks - the green ones). Roughly counting, I have 2O blocks, without siding. Some blocks have 2 sensors, mainly on the visible part - level 3, to be able to stop precisely the locos just before the signal. Others have only one sensor. Cheers Fabrice
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jvuye		#12 Posted : 04 February 2012 06:29:44(UTC)
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,077 Location: France		Hi Fabrice! Looks pretty good, lots of variations and combinations with traffic...(but why am I *not* surprized? ) I see you have mounted the whole thing on wheels, just in case you'd need access to the rear...good precaution Speaking of access: do you plan to cut out the track pattern (level 1 essentially) out of that big piece of plywood? If not you may have difficulties if you need to intervene in the diagonal hidden station Your wiring looks pretty good! I'll be taking lessons! Cheers Jacques
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French_Fabrice		#13 Posted : 04 February 2012 09:36:47(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi Jacques, You've hit one of the design flaws of my layout : accessibility It's hard to find the right balance between what I'd like to have and what is doable. Sigh...! I'm also waiting to have pictures from your Swiss layout project, which will be certainly very impressive. Cheers fabrice
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French_Fabrice		#14 Posted : 05 February 2012 21:08:31(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi all, After making plans, let's start. Putting tracks and preparing some track beds. <shot007> Preparing insulated sections. <shot008> Finished for today. 3-way turnouts are done. <shot009> It's not ice, but polyethylene foam. Trying that instead of cork. <shot010> Station exit <shot011> To be processed next time... <shot012> That's all folks. Stay tuned. <shot013> Cheers Fabrice PS: Server has trouble with uploading. I've attached files Edited by user 05 February 2012 22:16:06(UTC)  | Reason: attached files French_Fabrice attached the following image(s):
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BR01097		#15 Posted : 06 February 2012 01:35:55(UTC)
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RayF		#16 Posted : 06 February 2012 08:49:04(UTC)
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 8,100 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Great start, Fabrice! This promises to be a great layout for playing with! Also, it's unusual for this forum to see a layout built in K Track! I look forward to seeing the fruits of your labour!
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petestra		#17 Posted : 06 February 2012 11:17:07(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Wonderful start, Fabrice. Peter
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Ian555		#18 Posted : 06 February 2012 12:22:56(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great progress. Ian.
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GlennM		#19 Posted : 06 February 2012 13:05:13(UTC)
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 321 Location: Manchester, England		I think you have chosen a very flexible and interesting layout, and you have made a great start. Please keep us undated and lots of pictures. All the best Glenn
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igf2		#20 Posted : 08 February 2012 21:37:14(UTC)
Joined: 29/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 235 Location: France		Well done Fabrice ! Nice layout for a clever track plan.
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French_Fabrice		#21 Posted : 12 February 2012 23:00:35(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hello folks, Great progress this week. It runs ! I've setup most of the track beds of level 1, and wired the external oval and the 5 associated blocks. A few shots: Next step : finish the remaining blocks in the diagonal, and start the elevations... Cheers Fabrice Edited by user 12 February 2012 23:27:05(UTC)  | Reason: subject changed
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Ian555		#22 Posted : 13 February 2012 08:01:13(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Your wiring is very neat and tidy, looks great. Ian.
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French_Fabrice		#23 Posted : 19 February 2012 20:35:43(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi Märklin fans, Intensive work this week-end. Layout is growing up... A few shots: Men at works (1) Men at works (2) The 2 ramps are joined An other shot of the join At foreground, the descending ramp Overall view Finished for this week-end... Cheers Fabrice
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steventrain		#24 Posted : 19 February 2012 21:39:07(UTC)
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 21,556 Location: United Kingdom		Look very good. I think the Cat is inspection your layout.
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petestra		#25 Posted : 19 February 2012 22:42:37(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, The layout is looking great. Enjoyed the update! Peter
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charles Sharpe		#26 Posted : 19 February 2012 22:54:37(UTC)
Joined: 21/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,034		Hello Fabrice The layout is coming along nicely. Charles
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kariosls37		#27 Posted : 20 February 2012 05:36:49(UTC)
Joined: 02/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 787 Location: Auckland, New Zealand		Lookin' good Fabrice Don't go easy on the supports for the raised section. It will come back to bite you in a couple of years time. Cheers, Rick
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Ian555		#28 Posted : 20 February 2012 06:22:25(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great progress on the layout. Ian.
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efel		#29 Posted : 20 February 2012 09:44:17(UTC)
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 734 Location: France		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice You've hit one of the design flaws of my layout : accessibility Then don't forget to short the end shutoff contacts of the turnout motors! Fred
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French_Fabrice		#30 Posted : 20 February 2012 12:21:37(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hello, Thanks to all for your comments ! @Fred : That seems to be a good idea, but how do you do that (never did it before) ? My turnout motors are 7549. If the explanation is too long, a link or pointer will be greatly appreciated. Cheers Fabrice
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efel		#31 Posted : 20 February 2012 15:01:46(UTC)
Joined: 23/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 734 Location: France		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Hello, Thanks to all for your comments ! @Fred : That seems to be a good idea, but how do you do that (never did it before) ? My turnout motors are 7549. If the explanation is too long, a link or pointer will be greatly appreciated. Cheers Fabrice You can see where to shunt the shut off switches there Fred
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French_Fabrice		#32 Posted : 25 February 2012 21:42:44(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Works on hold... Inspector is inspecting... Cheers Fabrice
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nevw		#33 Posted : 25 February 2012 22:04:55(UTC)
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Yumgui		#34 Posted : 25 February 2012 22:07:59(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 867 Location: Paris, France		Fabrice, L'inspecteur semble dubitatif ^^ (trans: The inspector seems skeptical ...) Also, I agree with this: Originally Posted by: kariosls37 Don't go easy on the supports for the raised section. It will come back to bite you in a couple of years time. Be careful of the future ^^ ! Y Edited by user 25 February 2012 22:13:37(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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petestra		#35 Posted : 25 February 2012 23:21:38(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice. Great photo! What is the name inspector chat? Peter
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French_Fabrice		#36 Posted : 26 February 2012 00:51:47(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: petestra Hi Fabrice. Great photo! What is the name inspector chat? Peter "Lili", it's a female. Cheers Fabrice
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French_Fabrice		#37 Posted : 26 February 2012 00:54:00(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Originally Posted by: petestra Hi Fabrice. Great photo! What is the name inspector chat? Peter Thanks, Peter! It's name is "Lili", it's a female. Cheers Fabrice
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river6109		#38 Posted : 26 February 2012 05:55:46(UTC)
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 7,471 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Fabrice, great looking layout, looking at your raised section, I think it will withhold the weight of any train and to compare my supports with yours, mine is still standing and holding up after 35 years and this is with hot glue not wood glue but its always better to overdue it, than as pointed out, having problems down the track so to speak. Your cat needs a night out or had too many late nights. You rail connectors: I assume you connect them to a S88 detection module and the rail connectors on the this side are the ground connectors. Lot of modelers install blocksystems, which is ok but it doesn't give you any guarantee of a free accident scenario; e.g. a train looses some carriages, in this case in the siding with 3 tracks. a train will not enter any siding track if there are any carraiges detected. Detecting carriages or a loco is by isolating one rail and this is easely done with k-tracks, The S88 detects if there is anything on the track (AC wheels are detected). regards., John Edited by user 26 February 2012 06:04:02(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Johnvr		#39 Posted : 26 February 2012 07:57:19(UTC)
Joined: 03/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 389 Location: Cape Town, South Africa		Fabrice, Really looking fantastic. All those long evenings which you spent planning this layout are now showing the model railway builders motto : "Plan twice, cut once !" Regards, John
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French_Fabrice		#40 Posted : 26 February 2012 10:46:06(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: river6109 You rail connectors: I assume you connect them to a S88 detection module and the rail connectors on the this side are the ground connectors. Lot of modelers install blocksystems, which is ok but it doesn't give you any guarantee of a free accident scenario; e.g. a train looses some carriages, in this case in the siding with 3 tracks. a train will not enter any siding track if there are any carraiges detected. Detecting carriages or a loco is by isolating one rail and this is easely done with k-tracks, The S88 detects if there is anything on the track (AC wheels are detected). Yes John, you're right. I have a total of 14 blocks in levels 1 and 2 (added one block last night in the left curve of level 2) to manage all the stuff in automatic mode with Rocrail. All blocks are wired (17 S88 inputs are used now over the 48 available) and OK. Speaking of loosing carriages, especially while going up, wagons will arrive at the speed of light (I've tried with one tank wagon, happily with no derailment until now) in the hidden station. The software will stop all trains ("ghost block" feature) in such a case, but it will not prevent from a crash on a staying train. I'm thinking of letting the straight track connected to the 3-way turnout always free to prevent disaster. I should have planned an emergency escape lane ... I'm gonna think about it, maybe it's not too late. Cheers to all Fabrice
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French_Fabrice		#41 Posted : 26 February 2012 11:10:04(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hello folks, Well, Kitty is sleeping now, so I could finish the ascending ramp. Here are a few shots: Yes, power is off ! From a larger point of view... Overall view of ascending ramp... Overall view of descending ramp in the background... The long piece of straight track in the foreground will be the visible part of the ascending ramp...But I think I will start with the visible descending ramp at the rear...I have a lot of wood plates to cut... Stay tuned All the best Fabrice
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pab		#42 Posted : 26 February 2012 11:23:56(UTC)
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,964		Nice set up Fabrice. I see a lot of ground connections on just one side of the track. I suppose you know that the rails in K track are not connected. Is there a specific reason for the ground connections on one side?
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French_Fabrice		#43 Posted : 26 February 2012 11:47:38(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: pab I see a lot of ground connections on just one side of the track. I suppose you know that the rails in K track are not connected. Is there a specific reason for the ground connections on one side? All one-sided ground connections are here to provide feedback to the S88 modules. When a loco or a wagon stays in a section (block) delimited by 2295 tracks and linked thru such a ground connector to the S88, the corresponding information on the S88 line is set to "up", and then the software can deal with the fact the corresponding block is occupied... Does it answer to your question ? Cheers Fabrice
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Ian555		#44 Posted : 26 February 2012 12:08:22(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Looking at the first photo (post 41), how are you securing those supports in position, and is that 6mm plyboard that the K track sits on. Ian.
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French_Fabrice		#45 Posted : 26 February 2012 12:52:13(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Fabrice, Looking at the first photo (post 41), how are you securing those supports in position, and is that 6mm plyboard that the K track sits on. Ian. Hi Ian, -the track beds (on level 1 and 2) are done with 5mm thick plywood. -all the track beds are screwed to the pillar with two (or four) 2*12mm screws (it's enough, in my opinion, to maintain firmly the track beds to the pillar) -the pillars have a base plate and a top plate; the base plate is either 5 or 10mm thick plywood; the base plate is screwed to the pillar with at least two 3*20mm screws; the base plate is then screwed to the foundation plate with at least two 2,5*20mm screws (if the base plate is 10mm thick, I use 3*20 screws); the top plate is screwed to the pillar with two 2,5*16mm screws... I plan to use 10mm thick tracks beds on the upper level, but I'm still thinking... Don't hesitate to tell me if I wrong ! Cheers Fabrice
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Ian555		#46 Posted : 26 February 2012 13:16:29(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Maybe, it's just in the photo's, but the track bed does look a little narrow, the slightest derailment and your expensive wagons/coaches/Loco's, would have a considerable drop to contend with. Still time for a wider track bed and or some side supports. Also, 5 or 6mm plyboard will have, over a period of time, some "give" in it, so plenty of your supports underneath. Ian.
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French_Fabrice		#47 Posted : 26 February 2012 13:54:01(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Fabrice, Maybe, it's just in the photo's, but the track bed does look a little narrow, the slightest derailment and your expensive wagons/coaches/Loco's, would have a considerable drop to contend with. Still time for a wider track bed and or some side supports. Also, 5 or 6mm plyboard will have, over a period of time, some "give" in it, so plenty of your supports underneath. Ian. Mmmm, good to know before it's too late. Thank you, Ian ! Which minimum thickness do you recommend for the track beds ? 8, 10, more ? Also, my track beds are 5cm wide...maybe 7cm wide will be better for aerial parts ? (and side supports also)... Cheers Fabrice
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Ian555		#48 Posted : 26 February 2012 14:26:26(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, I used 6mm plyboard for my Helix construction and 2.5 years later, no problems with it, but it is wide enough for a double track and also it has plenty of screwed rod supports. Although, I must say, I do not have any side supports on it, but then, when you're using good old M track, you never have any derailments. Ian.
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pab		#49 Posted : 26 February 2012 14:32:39(UTC)
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,964		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Originally Posted by: pab I see a lot of ground connections on just one side of the track. I suppose you know that the rails in K track are not connected. Is there a specific reason for the ground connections on one side? All one-sided ground connections are here to provide feedback to the S88 modules. When a loco or a wagon stays in a section (block) delimited by 2295 tracks and linked thru such a ground connector to the S88, the corresponding information on the S88 line is set to "up", and then the software can deal with the fact the corresponding block is occupied... Does it answer to your question ? Cheers Fabrice Yes yjat makes sense, but you also need right side connections for the normal ground connection and left side connections outside the isolated S88 sections. Are those connected in another way?
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French_Fabrice		#50 Posted : 26 February 2012 15:37:09(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: pab Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Originally Posted by: pab I see a lot of ground connections on just one side of the track. I suppose you know that the rails in K track are not connected. Is there a specific reason for the ground connections on one side? All one-sided ground connections are here to provide feedback to the S88 modules. When a loco or a wagon stays in a section (block) delimited by 2295 tracks and linked thru such a ground connector to the S88, the corresponding information on the S88 line is set to "up", and then the software can deal with the fact the corresponding block is occupied... Does it answer to your question ? Cheers Fabrice Yes yjat makes sense, but you also need right side connections for the normal ground connection and left side connections outside the isolated S88 sections. Are those connected in another way? I you look at my plan, the grey straight sections are the 2295 tracks (one side sectioned rails). The red sections (for lvl 1 & 2) are feeder track rails (violet for lvl 3), providing both "B" and "O" lines. As a general rule (except when I've forgotten it) most of the time a sectioned block is followed by a feeder track, so I always get both left and right rail connected to ground outside the block. So I can use either the left or right rail inside a block, depending on the way I put the sectioned tracks, to get the S88 signal. Cheers Fabrice
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GSRR		#51 Posted : 26 February 2012 15:58:48(UTC)
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,179 Location: USA		Fabrice, Great looking layout and progress. Are you only using a standard s88 or will there also be an s88 with occupancy detection, such as the Viessmann 5233? r/Thomas
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French_Fabrice		#52 Posted : 26 February 2012 16:33:35(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: GSRR Fabrice, Great looking layout and progress. Are you only using a standard s88 or will there also be an s88 with occupancy detection, such as the Viessmann 5233? r/Thomas only 5217 (S88 std), no 5233. Cheers Fabrice
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pab		#53 Posted : 26 February 2012 19:24:17(UTC)
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,964		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Originally Posted by: pab Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Originally Posted by: pab I see a lot of ground connections on just one side of the track. I suppose you know that the rails in K track are not connected. Is there a specific reason for the ground connections on one side? All one-sided ground connections are here to provide feedback to the S88 modules. When a loco or a wagon stays in a section (block) delimited by 2295 tracks and linked thru such a ground connector to the S88, the corresponding information on the S88 line is set to "up", and then the software can deal with the fact the corresponding block is occupied... Does it answer to your question ? Cheers Fabrice Yes that makes sense, but you also need right side connections for the normal ground connection and left side connections outside the isolated S88 sections. Are those connected in another way? I you look at my plan, the grey straight sections are the 2295 tracks (one side sectioned rails). The red sections (for lvl 1 & 2) are feeder track rails (violet for lvl 3), providing both "B" and "O" lines. As a general rule (except when I've forgotten it) most of the time a sectioned block is followed by a feeder track, so I always get both left and right rail connected to ground outside the block. So I can use either the left or right rail inside a block, depending on the way I put the sectioned tracks, to get the S88 signal. Cheers Fabrice Thanks for the explanantion.
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steventrain		#54 Posted : 26 February 2012 20:41:19(UTC)
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French_Fabrice		#55 Posted : 26 February 2012 21:41:35(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi Folks, Regarding post #40 and the "emergency escape lane" (as found on some highways), I've done it. See below: Happily, the straight section between the left and right curved turnout had exactly the length of a straight turnout. So I put it, draw a curve (its end was exactly in the middle of a pillar -murphy's law ! ), then a straight line with a high slope. A 7% slope...I hope it will be enough From an other angle... I've done a test with a 3 wagon set and all went fine. They stop at the first 1/3 of the slope ... I don't know if it will be useful, but I've tried to prevent some disaster. Still have to put some side supports in the aerial part of the ascending ramp... Cheers Fabrice Edited by user 27 February 2012 07:09:42(UTC)  | Reason: typo
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French_Fabrice		#56 Posted : 04 March 2012 19:08:15(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi all, A few shots of the beginning of the upper level... The long descending ramp... First (of 5) upper plate...Placing the tracks Curved track bed not yet done... Detail from below... General perspective of the descending ramp, still from below (curved track bed finished) Upper level 2 first plate, from below, ... Upper view... Final overview... Next step: start wiring of ramp and upper plate... Cheers Fabrice
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petestra		#57 Posted : 04 March 2012 20:12:45(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, your layout is going to be super! Cheers,Peter
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French_Fabrice		#58 Posted : 04 March 2012 20:21:08(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Thanks, Peter ! How about your kitten ? Still interested by trains ? Cheers fabrice
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petestra		#59 Posted : 04 March 2012 20:28:02(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Thanks, Peter ! How about your kitten ? Still interested by trains ? Cheers fabrice Bonjour, Fabrice. They are no longer kittens at 6 years old but both Black Jack and brother Izzy still act and play like kittens. Black Jack loves the trains and knows now how to behave. They are good boys, just like your miss Lili . Peter
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Yumgui		#60 Posted : 04 March 2012 21:58:24(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 867 Location: Paris, France		Very nice progress Fabrice, thanks for the photos ! Interesting structural system with the flat steel sections, it's "food for thought" ^^ ;) Yum
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Ian555		#61 Posted : 05 March 2012 06:11:33(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great progress on the layout. Ian.
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BrandonVA		#62 Posted : 05 March 2012 15:49:00(UTC)
Joined: 09/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 438 Location: VA		Tri-level and proper benchwork, how can you go wrong? If you're like me, it may make you feel the need to get some more "strong" locos to pull things up and down the grade :) Any excuse, right?
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French_Fabrice		#63 Posted : 05 March 2012 19:25:37(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Thanks to all ! @Brandon : Unfortunately, there are many ways to go wrong. One I have to fight against is impatience (for the tracks to be connected together)... Cheers Fabrice
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Yumgui		#64 Posted : 05 March 2012 20:17:17(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 867 Location: Paris, France		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice ... One I have to fight against is impatience ... Cool Fabrice, cool, all in due time ... ^^ Yum
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French_Fabrice		#65 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:35:41(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi Fans, The week-end work started well... I took measurements for 2nd upper plate and prepared a piece of ascending ramp ...I even put a metal mast with led...very nice....and... The "disaster" occurred : not enough height between the ascending ramp and the upper plate to put a tunnel ! So I had to change the plan...Happily, I had only to reduce the curve radius, shorten a bit the siding and invert a turnout. The original plan is drawn in blue on the left hand-side... The fuel depot from rear... Overall view. I still have to cut out a bit more the 2nd upper plate to allow a decent tunnel entrance. This project is very compact, and this time I had luck to find out a solution for my very big mistake... I hope I can finish the layout as planned . Maybe it's too ambitious for my skill level...But I don't give up! Cheers Fabrice
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Yumgui		#66 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:40:54(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 867 Location: Paris, France		Excellent Fabrice ! Fonce (Go for it) ... ^^ Y
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petestra		#67 Posted : 12 March 2012 00:16:28(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, you have done a-lot of work. Looks great. Peter
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ac jacko		#68 Posted : 12 March 2012 00:19:01(UTC)
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 726 Location: Gawler South Australia		Excellent layout and enjoying the trip of builidng and planning imensly. Keep going sir
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river6109		#69 Posted : 12 March 2012 02:50:00(UTC)
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 7,471 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		At last we see a layout constructed with k-track to get somesort of a balance from the M & C-track connoisseursand what a layout it is. John
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French_Fabrice		#70 Posted : 18 March 2012 19:44:12(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hello fans, Some significant progress this week ...Let me show you... Fuel depot with light masts. Closer look on switching tower. Placing station tracks. The turntable is also in place. The station in background. The station from another angle. Turntable and last upper plate (draft version: cutting has still to be done) Overview of week-end works... Current state... Still a lot of work to do, but the first rendering is interesting Cheers Fabrice
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TrainIride		#71 Posted : 18 March 2012 20:20:33(UTC)
Joined: 22/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 658 Location: FRANCE		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice ... Still a lot of work to do, but the first rendering is interesting Cheers Fabrice Hi Fabrice. Great progress in only a few months! Congratulations. Your layout is great. It remembers me so when i started my layout some years ago - with wood and screws - even if mine is more simple. Regards Joël
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Webmaster		#72 Posted : 18 March 2012 20:26:56(UTC)
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Yumgui		#73 Posted : 18 March 2012 20:32:42(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 867 Location: Paris, France		Thanks for the progress pics ! Y
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Ian555		#74 Posted : 18 March 2012 20:41:22(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Enjoying watching a K track layout come together. Ian.
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steventrain		#75 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:00:56(UTC)
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 21,556 Location: United Kingdom		Very good process.
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French_Fabrice		#76 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:31:31(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Thanks to all ! @Juhan : The visible part is composed of most of the upper layer (Level 3) + the ascending ramp in the front part (still in progress). See post#1 - Level 3; you will notice also a small hill/mountain with tunnels on the rear-left part of upper level. Cheers Fabrice
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Superlampster		#77 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:34:36(UTC)
Joined: 25/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 6 Location: Sweden		Looking good! Regards Henrik
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petestra		#78 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:40:36(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, wow the layout looks great! You have really done a-lot of work. Keep those photos coming! Cheers, Peter ps- regards to Lily from Black Jack and Izzy!
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Chris6382chris		#79 Posted : 18 March 2012 22:04:51(UTC)
Joined: 11/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 585 Location: Wine Country, CA		Really looking great. Keep up the great work and do keep the pictures coming. Chris
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pab		#80 Posted : 19 March 2012 10:58:50(UTC)
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,964		Very interesting.Lots of possibilities. Very good looking.
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French_Fabrice		#81 Posted : 25 March 2012 19:37:08(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hi all, Nothing spectacular this week-end, except all tracks are connected ! A few shots, as usual... The bridge... The missing link The last piece of the puzzle in place Ascending ramp : overview Final overview of infrastructure Inspector evaluating the results ...Hmm, still work pending...not really finished! Next steps: have a break, think, wire, test all before starting tunnels, and later scenery... Stay tuned. Cheers fabrice
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Johnvr		#82 Posted : 25 March 2012 20:02:09(UTC)
Joined: 03/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 389 Location: Cape Town, South Africa		Fabrice, Looking fantastic ! You must be very pleased with the progress so far. Good luck on the next phases. Regards, John
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Loadmaster		#83 Posted : 25 March 2012 22:42:00(UTC)
Joined: 03/02/2010(UTC) Posts: 637 Location: So Cal		I just reviewed your postings and I am impressed. I really like the metal brackets and metal straps you use for spport. I've never seen that type of construction and may try that concept. Rob
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petestra		#84 Posted : 25 March 2012 23:50:06(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice. The layout is really coming along quite quickly. You're really done a great job. Mademoiselle Lily seems to be excited about the running of trains too. Peter
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Ian555		#85 Posted : 26 March 2012 04:49:09(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great to see a K track layout being built. Ian.
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French_Fabrice		#86 Posted : 26 March 2012 19:20:36(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Thanks to all @Rob : The main reason which led me to use metal straps and bracket was the lack of room, i.e. the descending ramp is behind the wall (rear side), and the left hand-side is near the entrance of my room... The drawback is : it's more difficult to shape/cut/drill ...and you need adequate tooling , but then it's rock solid Cheers Fabrice
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igf2		#87 Posted : 27 March 2012 16:08:04(UTC)
Joined: 29/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 235 Location: France		Nice & quick progress... Well done Fabrice Cheers Jean-Pierre
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steventrain		#88 Posted : 27 March 2012 17:30:30(UTC)
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 21,556 Location: United Kingdom		Looking great.
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Marklin in Oz		#89 Posted : 28 March 2012 19:12:00(UTC)
Joined: 24/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 81 Location: Lawrence Kansas		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Works on hold... Inspector is inspecting... Cheers Fabrice First off I'd like to say this is an amazing looking layout. Excellent work! Second, with your permission I'd like to share this picture with a friend. He's not big into Marklin like we are, but he IS big into cats and the look on inspector Lili's face is priceless! -Fred
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French_Fabrice		#90 Posted : 29 March 2012 06:10:31(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Quote: First off I'd like to say this is an amazing looking layout. Excellent work! Second, with your permission I'd like to share this picture with a friend. He's not big into Marklin like we are, but he IS big into cats and the look on inspector Lili's face is priceless! -Fred Hi Fred, You can share this picture with your friends. The only restriction I would set is "not for making money". I give love to my cat and she is a living creature. I do not consider her as some goods, so use this picture if possible with the same state of mind and respect. Cheers Fabrice
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jvuye		#91 Posted : 29 March 2012 07:16:01(UTC)
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,077 Location: France		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Works on hold... Inspector is inspecting... Cheers Fabrice Looks like she's saying:" Do you really plan to go on with this?" Precious moment! My cat is only happy when trains are running. If they don't she pushes them! Oh, no Honey! Not the Fulgurex Be 4/6 please!!
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petestra		#92 Posted : 29 March 2012 16:19:11(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, I see you treat your lovely Mademoiselle Lily like part of the family, just as I do with my boys, Black Jack and Izzy. I am always still amazed at the unconditional love that they give to us. Layout is looking super! Peter
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French_Fabrice		#93 Posted : 07 April 2012 14:50:05(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hello fans ! No layout pics today 'cause no noticeable visual change. I've wired all remaining main blocks in "draft mode" in the upper level and tested the layout with 10 trains running in automatic "random" mode . By "random", I mean the software (Rocrail) automatically chooses the available routes depending on block occupation and associated timers. Quite impressive... But when something goes wrong (for instance a turnout motor has a problem ), I need to reset all the automatism, i.e. tell the software that loco XX is in block 12, loco YY in block 15, etc. By the way, do some of you use feedback on turnouts with sensors or special motors or other means ? If yes, would you mind to provide me some link (or short explanation) if possible on this topic ? Here's a pic of the schematics under rocrail: Now, going to test again and change some parameters... Cheers Fabrice
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petestra		#94 Posted : 07 April 2012 14:52:31(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		It sounds like a very large undertaking, Fabrice. Good luck! Peter
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French_Fabrice		#95 Posted : 15 April 2012 19:18:06(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Hello Marklin fans, After a lot of testing, I've had some trouble (derailment ) with one switch and long locos in the hidden ramps (i.e. level 2). So I've decided to modify a bit the level 2. During the modification, I've also added 3 new blocks to level 2. Now the total is 26 blocks for the main tracks (level1+level2+level3) without sidings. Here's the new plan for level 2: And a few shots of the results It works perfectly now Now it's time to setup definitive wiring for the upper level. Cheers Fabrice
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Ian555		#96 Posted : 16 April 2012 05:01:04(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10,766 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great progress on your layout. Ian.
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DigitalNZ		#97 Posted : 16 April 2012 07:13:21(UTC)
Joined: 13/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 101 Location: Masterton, New Zealand		Wonderful Fabrice, It's great to see a layout being built! I can't seem to make my mind up on what to build permanently so am stuck with test / long term temporary layouts. I've got a few plans in mind but I will procrastinate over it a bit longer. I'm very much looking forward to seeing more progress on your layout. Kind Regards, Daniell
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petestra		#98 Posted : 16 April 2012 10:21:11(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 2,107 Location: washington,dc		That's going to be one exciting layout, Fabrice. Excellent! Peter
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Goofy		#99 Posted : 16 April 2012 16:08:28(UTC)
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,962 Location: Helsingborg, Sweden		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Works on hold... Inspector is inspecting... Cheers Fabrice I know why inspector is mad!!! You haven´t cut out a hole on the worktop because you have underground rail yard. So what happens if train set derailment and you cannot reaching trainset...
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French_Fabrice		#100 Posted : 16 April 2012 17:15:16(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 134 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: Goofy I know why inspector is mad!!! You haven´t cut out a hole on the worktop because you have underground rail yard. So what happens if train set derailment and you cannot reaching trainset... You're right. That's the main flaw in my design . I cope with it... Cheers Fabrice
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